`Promoted` s track record in many respects the Armed Forces of markings. So there are promotions and promotion has been carried so that the soldier who, in terms of human rights and rule of law is difficult to digest. `
Dogan Group `to` tax penalty incident, incidents such as constitutional amendments, despite the reduction of the headscarf, the balance sheet presented the AK Party sevapları outweighs their sins. `
`Still, there is a civilian vessel in the CHP. Ecevit gave the strongest reaction to the army coup on March 12. 73, has won 77 elections. Ecevit also capture the spirit of the times, such as Kılıçdaroğlu. `
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WHY HASAN CEMAL
21. century, the world conjuncture offers great opportunities for Turkey. External dynamics, the first time in Turkey's peace, development, growth, sivilleşmesinden, democratization, since the fact that a modern state of law works. As can be seen in the WikiLeaks documents, only Israel and the U.S. neocons in power in Turkey has fallen warrior gunner and military to intervene in politics and wants to keep the blows. Despite support from around the world not to be the same soldier, civilian political authority to enter into management is still resisting. Of Turkey, passes through a transformation, with the help of internal and external dynamics, the difference can not sivilleştiğini. Although the government's dismissal, Sledgehammer trial of three accused GeneraLink, Trying to be promoted by activating the military judiciary. The army, why so much resistance on the pulse of the accused pasha promotions? Civil-military relations in Turkey going? Non-military justice in Western democracies, on the basis of what we have is building on its presence? The soldier, not a true democratic country for the resistance army, how met by the public? The government `s General Staff to resist, despite the generals get released, how the election results will be reflected in the next six months? Voters, in this regard to assess how good the CHP? All of these questions, on the great books by civil-military relations in this country, the Turkey `s latest book, The Problem-O Soldier Soldier, Political Interference! We asked the name of the `e Hasan Cemal.
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JOY Gallery Register: soldiers, civilians will to listen to the orders were wrong, but I think We thought that we are entering an era. The government accused the generals promotions coup, wants to stop using the right given to him by law. But the army, for he is dealing with the generals to be promoted. Why so much resistance to the Army about it?
HASAN CEMAL: resisting ... Because the maverick always treated its troops in Turkey to date. Self-talk söyletmedi. I always saw himself above the people. First, the pulse of the legal system has created a unique and kırmızıçizgiler drew constitutions. Then I placed some institutions to implement this regime kırmızıçizgileri into. Thus, he always said the last word on important issues as well as himself, on top, put the law has made it untouchable. Therefore, it is now, does not want to maintain three paşasına hand. `They'll give me about the decision, the last word I'll say` he says.
Does he can say that?
Cayırtı that the already breaking up. Elected government in this country, for the first time some of the things that `My brother is now in Western democracies as well as civilian political authority, as I do, I'll say` I am the last word he says. This is a very important thing! Because democracies, soldiers are subject to civilian political authority. Elected politicians say the last word. This process began for the first time in Turkey.
Turkey entered a process, exactly how?
In the Supreme Military Council, the military, have been unable to any decisions. Civil authority, military, `no, it will not be like that` he said. For the first time in Turkey began to touch the army law. Indeed, the civil courts in this country for some time now on trial for coup attempts. Pulse of the soldiers who set up stalls, civilian prosecutors questioned, taken into custody, arrested. In short, the Sledgehammer, such as the Ergenekon law litigation in this country for the first time reminded me of the army. I told them, `he said` there is law. And the soldiers, Sledgehammer to be the case not prevent the accused persons in uniform.
Engelleyemeyince what happened?
Engelleyemeyince, soldier, now this time, because they are defendants in Sledgehammer ettirilmeyen promoted by the government to resist and about three paşasıyla Trying to upgrade them. Let me tell you ... Already all the Sledgehammer and the Ergenekon trials actually wrong with the soldier reveals the layout of democracy and rule of law.
These cases result in acquittals how to live it? Soldier's democracy and rule of law is not an issue that will arise?
Joy Correction, I've had it with your own youth. March 12, 1971 coup, before we were in cuntasal activities. Pulse of the door lock down and through the political parties, putting an end to multi-party regime, the military one-party system, that is, a kind of getirecektik the Baath regime to Turkey. Pulse in the left and right environment to prepare the bomb and throw attırmakla tried. For example, on the two sides in Ankara orduevinin bomb in front of the police to be taken by Medic and the youth, `as` hand in hand with the military-youth bağırtılarak yürütülecekti recreation quarters for officers. You see, for the preparation of a coup climate in this country were made a lot of stuff like that.
The bombs did not die because the cops?
We do not know ... Light would be a bomb ... That's all we had emerged as a result of trial Madanoğlu. But in this case resulted in acquittals. As far as I can see, March 9 coup attempt did not hit masumiyetten acquitted. Madanoğlu case, extending the upper echelons of the army, Faruk Gurler, Muhsin Batur Pasha is also the case in front of the work was stopped. Sledgehammer and in some cases the law conflicts with the Ergenekon yaşansa, these cases do not state too much innocence. Ozden sample logs, and then read the logs ... Mustafa Balbay Also Sledgehammer period, from 2002's of the range of the meetings, and there tell you the conversations, then from 2003 to 2004 is planned in `Sarıkız, Moonlight, on top of preparations for the coup Yakamoz oturttuğunuzda, one of these things a little as I know, is very clear impact looms I see. This is in the works of those, it looms must give account in the courts.
But the army, the generals' coup suspect insists promotions. The generals have accused the pulse of the General Staff `I do not ever bother?
This is a very important question. I need to bother. I already started to disturb the time, democracy and the rule of law in Turkey will be opened in front.
This is also one of the coup suspects in their own mayınlarımızla Cukurca kill their own troops, saying, `` the fact that such things would be hidden from the public and laid the blame either one of the PKK. Why do you want to keep one of the army that?
Grave. But at least one of the grave to say the following ... The then Chief of General Staff Ilker Basbug, respectively. Chief of Staff Land Forces Commander Isik Kosaner `di today. They certainly knew about it. But this incident was asked to örtülmek above. In fact, this is the result of a mentality. Demirel to the Prime Minister `s always said to me that in 1990 there was something Larda. `Look, Hasan Cemal, eleştirilirse soldiers, the fight against terrorism sergilenirse his mistakes, he always used to say` soldier morale is broken and the fight against terrorism enters a deadlock.
Soldier, hukuksuzlukla finds morale?
I'm telling you the mentality. Only soldiers, not civilians, we also terminate these events `,` useful for them to explain the mentality of the common enemy. This can not head to the peace. Defying the law and human rights, peace can not go mentality. You open the door to the contrary, turmoil and war. Indeed, that's what in Turkey.
Moreover, it promoted the desired ettirilmek general, the commander of the region `s police station raid Hantepe suffered. Heronların encounters lıları PKK, `boxes` said the shepherd, and therefore subject to the raid he been sent to help the soldiers. Investigation of the army generals who do not normally do all these things?
Soldiers on the mountain because of his mistake and indicates that no such examples, however, sorgulanmadığına! Already the Kurdish problem, the military administration in this country since the September 12 re-flashed. And put no varılmadı goal. In 2003, Necati Ozgen Pasha, to me, `he said` I can not say won. And I would tell you. There is a very well-known commander.
Who?
`Very important also served as a commander of Hakkari goes by the name ... Leaders of the PKK about him to me, `What a happy ... He had made big mistakes that ... Still wonder how he keeps such a failure would have a commander of the army ... But I never picked a voice ... Even if he did not speak to be heard among us that `he said. The military way is not possible to solve the Kurdish problem. Already the Kurds in the PKK, took root in 1990 `s hell. Or are you already with the PKK, the Kurdish problem, two separate problem. Now two of them went into each other. In fact, this time to look at the bottom of the problem ...
What's at the bottom of the problem?
Republican, `I will build a nation-state. This is my first order to create the nation-state should create a new nation. Turkish name of the nation, the state will be the name of the Turkish state. Türkleştirilecek For this, the Muslim ones. First and foremost, he starts from the Kurds and 1924-25 Türkleştirilecek `` `expand in Eastern Reform Plan is doing. `My brother all of you are Turkish. I do not know Kurdish Murti. There is Kurdish, Kurdish, there is no `she says. This is wrong at the bottom of the problem is still here, have a sense of the state and nation. France in the beginning but it is such a nation-state, unitary nation-state, according to EU standards and katılıktan demokratikleştiriyor refrains. We solved the problem of the Kurds, if the unitary nation-state is thought to go to hand. Soldiers also like the EU is approaching the subject.
Soldier, why the EU does not want `t?
The soldier, saw that the EU `s first-class democracy. For him, to the EU `,` going to be a member, he says `I'll be a member of their own koşullarımla. That is, `You accept me for membership demokrasimle third class. Because if the first-class democracy, the Kurdish problem, `he says divides me ...
Well, first-class democracy in Turkey, if the soldier position, what happens?
First-class democracy, the military in this country makes it subject to civilian authority. Soldier, ceases to be a state within a state. Because we have troops in the state government. Further, an armed political party. In addition, opposition to the EU, we are in the genes of the soldier. `So I wanted to use the Cyprus issue in 2003-2004. Sledgehammer, Sarıkız, Moonlight, all Yakomoz coup looms, `What do we coming from and whether the membership of the EU. `Ta hit the ball before to block Cyprus, the Annan Plan,` Do your acceptance. Then they said `we do not give a negotiation date. To understand, Sledgehammer and the fear of Ergenekon and the EU have a background of democracy. In addition, all these stories behind the Feb. 28 `s has caused frustration in the course.
`Post-modern coup in Feb. 28 they did. Where is the frustration they live?
Look ... All these blow looms, began at the end of 2002. `We` Cause on February 28 in the post-modern coup, Erbakan's government `s broken. But what was the result? Gene could not do, `said the election came to them again. So Balyozları, Sarıkızları prepared. Impact at the date of March 9, 2004 as they talked among them. I am now, `Yes, we said,` We made plans to blow a single young man looking for a pasha! I could say so far the only boy out of a pasha.
Now, law, military service in Turkey is a crime to touch and know the impact of heavy cezalık. Did you say?
But then going down the bravery ... Out, `I do not trust the ballot box. Fund all reactionaries, is fundamentalism. So I say, `I wanted to make a coup. Proponents of this view there is still this country. Some non-generals of the CHP got up, tried on charges of coup he was sacked three pasha, accusing the government of setting up civilian dictatorship.
Returning to the pasha of three promotions ... Requested to be promoted under the command of a pasha in a region, if a strange outpost raid ... And she goes to help soldiers, police station ... According to our army in this situation, minus one point does not count?
Do not count ... The behavior of the yen remains in the `broken` Handle it never ends in our army. Let me give you an example ... 1980 September 12 coup was new. I `Gazette of the Republic of yönetmeniydim publication. Later, Chief of General Staff of the Council `s general secretary of the five-Necdet Üruğ urged us to Ankara. Pasha `s Madanoğlu kesmemizi wanted to publish the memoirs. Madanoğlu, 1930 invasion was telling Sason `occasionally. One commander was referring to the public against the ill-treatment. Depresses the soldier he slaughtered half of the array.
Our army, for example, that in Dağlıca `questionable after raid, the commander of the medal he had given the police station. Why does PKK lıların dominant regions such commanders protecting?
The mentality I have said ... In this respect, when you look, TAF `s track record in many respects promoted markings. So there are promotions and promotion has been carried so that the soldier who, law, human rights and democracy, according to the extent that promotions, many people are not examples hazmedebileceği. There are many examples like this.
For example, the PKK raids proved the documents before the measures are not taken. Despite this clear evidence, the military, what else you think these raids not prevent the officers of such ownership?
`This is a war and there are some conditions of war. We have to adopt these commanders. Or they say `We can not fight terrorism after. Look ... `No` deseydi troops in Turkey, the green light yakmasaydı, was processed in this country are so many unsolved murders?
İşlenemezdi ... The government `s General Staff, despite the generals to resist was exposed. What happens when you think the political consequences of this movement?
Soldier holding the head of a prime minister as a result of this movement is written to the AK Party. Also, more importantly, this event, we will accelerate the soldiers to sit down instead of European democracies. Now, soldiers, `rules of the game are changing. Belonging to the civil authority would be the last word, knowing that `to say to talk issues. All of these events, you also should not forget to understand. Presidential election was held in 2007. Tertiplerinin 2003-2004 on the basis of the pulse of `Thomas was also a matter of Cankaya.
How was there?
Cankaya, or emergence of `reputation` Abdullah Gul strongly opposed. Because the soldier has a single idea. `` Says Cankaya will be under our control. If today the civil authority, said the Supreme Military Council will be `in` diyebilmişse, Cankaya to sit in one of the recruit is not subject to civil söyleyebilmiştir it. Cankaya wars that have already occurred, so. I asked `Abdullah Gul on the plane to go in London. `You are talking about permanent EU standards. Defense minister in Turkey due to the chiefs of staff said, `will they be.
The President responded to what?
`You talk out of place. `When the time comes he will do. I think the time is coming. With the new constitution will be on the agenda after the elections the military judiciary.
A government, for the first time to use the powers of the military at the top, how voters will evaluate it?
Voter negative değerlendirmiyor it. 2007 general election and referendum results showed it.
CHP also a group of generals has accused the coup came out and asked for their promotion ettirilmelerini. How can this be assessed by the voter?
Currently there is a fight within the CHP. On the one hand, such as Barnes `28 February` ta `diyebilmiş acted as non-governmental organization of the Turkish Armed Forces, military tutelage, Feb. 28, Apr. 27 greeting muhtıralarına lished, 367` s leading architecture and his staff have done. In short, there are non-generals. This is the mindset of `he said` civil coup. Three generals be revealed `as` civil coup shame qualify. Culture Democracy nasipsizlik so, will you? This three-pasha darbecilikten trial. Shame, a sin in this country! Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu of the CHP and the group got in on the other. Kılıçdaroğlu, the CHP has the good intention of the civil paşalardan cleaning, so that I would like to believe, opens the way for the CHP.
Orducu why nothing ever changes the attitude of the CHP? Why on the role of a civil party to always give the AKP?
Of Turkey, the People's Party in the genes that `s there. This is going to the founding of the Republic `s. `I in the Republic, the People's Party of the soldiers who set up the` ni. One of the civilians with them, of course. Bureaucratic oligarchy, the People's Party in the somutlaşıyor `. But the genes, although there is still a civilian vessel in the CHP. March 12 coup against `ta gave the strongest reaction to Ecevit. Put distance between troops and 1973, won the 1977 elections. Ecevit, caught the spirit of that period of time, the capture Kılıçdaroğlu. Civilization and a more democratic management of the CHP is likely to Kılıçdaroğlu.
Catch the spirit of the times when we understand what `s Kılıçdaroğlu yakalamadığını?
RPP extraordinary congress will go to 18 range. Barnes had to settle accounts with the mentality that there Kılıçdaroğlu Baykalizm `le. Classic People's Party çakallığıyla encounter. This çakallık, but `General dokunmayalım around surrounding the president let him deliver. `Then bring him into a puppet is. Barnes wants to make such a classic People's Party may çakallığı. Kılıçdaroğlu `s management of its general assembly must extraction.
As for the military judiciary .... Generals, even though they are accused coup Rolling promoted to the High Military Administrative Court. Why do we still have a separate military court?
Soldier, to be its own state within a state had to establish a legal system. Indeed, these are the rule of law in this May 27, set up by March 12 and September 12 strokes. They have created a separate law and the immunity provided armor. Military Court of Appeal, the High Military Administrative Court (ie, the Military Council of State) of being a state within a state products. Civilians in Turkey, a democracy that can be `` set up its own army, he never questioned this separate structure.
Why make a complete change in the AKP, yasalaştırmıyor?
Let's be honest here and not do injustice. I record in terms of democracy and the rule of law, the government and the Prime Minister `a very harsh criticism, but I did, let's not forget. This is a military coup on February 28 they ate positions. Won the election in 2002 are now ruling alone. Then think about what happened ... Pulse preparations ... In Cyprus and the EU in the process of `the great military pressure from the government ... Then the political killings ... Raid on the Council of State, Republican rallies ... April 27 memorandum ... Judicial proceedings, such as the decision of 367 pulses on and off ...
And, Bulent Arinc `a plan for the assassination of ...
Let me tell you ... There are 15 pieces assassination attempt on Prime Minister `s! The AK Party has come through such badirelerden today ... `To the Doğan Group for the tax penalty incident, the change in the Constitution headscarf reduction, such as events take a step back in the process of normalization with Armenia, but when I do a balance sheet, sevapları outweighs the sins of the AK Party. The government took the bold steps on the Republic of the Kurdish issue.
An integrated and systematic exchange of AK Party gerçekleştirmemesinin Is there any benefit to him?
On the contrary there is damage. He also sees it. AK Party, people, `If we can` t comfortable yöneteceksek Turkey, think that democracy genişletmeliyiz `. Peace in the Kurdish issue will be provided, `They know what it means more work and food`. Facts of life in Turkey, the AK Party `t put the path of democracy. Moreover, these countries came to such an extent that the economy, to grow and to win more business both in Turkey `s, as well as peace and stability in a zone around the wants.
Well, the army, a true democratic country to resist the army, pretending to think how much more?
Democracy and the rule of law in Turkey is no longer blocking the path of military tutelage system crashes. Soldier's old-style resistance, breaking now. Referendum in September in the closing period of 12 strokes with the judiciary. After that, the judiciary, an enterprise can not be the result. But forget that. Troops at the problem in Turkey, but also a non-issue. In this country, not just soldiers, civilians also demokratikleşmeli mentality.
If all political parties to maintain the army to resist the army was çıksalardı against this behavior?
Sürdüremezdi. In this country, political parties, electoral've made out, the soldier was put kırmızıçizgiler think that democracy in the country to manage.
After that, do you think will happen?
Some conflicts happen, but ultimately military, the rules of democracy into the digest. In addition, in the dark to keep on in this country that no one in power will not do. Aydınlattıkça in us, revealing our history. There `s the foundation of the Republic of the killers.
Which killers?
Saying the killers, murderers, they are in quotation marks. They are murderers of democracy and law. `` Killers of law in this land of democracy and more recently we are seeing. For example, we see the killers at the Dersim `, 90` occasionally we see the killers. These killers, how a mechanism, they are the product of the system to brighten up our history we learn. All that matters, this system produces demokratikleştirmektir killer!
Sledgehammer coup, have accused the other generals. What do you think they will?
Remains in me, have been promoted to the order has not come, Sledgehammer get the case dismissed all of those defendants. This is normal. This is also made of any officer. How the Government took office three pasha, Sledgehammer other officers on trial for the case will be dismissed or promoted to positions as they come. Some of them will be retired. So this job, time will be spread.
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