Justin Harman magazine this week in an interview he gave Kürkçü'yle İşeri'nin Ertugrul. Ertugrul transcription errors, re-publish the interview as amended by Furry.
RPP-BDP alliance?
Last week, the BDP and the CHP electoral alliance between the claims raised on ihtimailine created a stir within the left. Flatly rejected by the CHP later you hear of this possibility, what do you think?
In theory, the social democratic party, left the party's alliance with the oppressed peoples who struggle to be able to do, is not unreasonable, but here in Turkey, these provisions are not clear definitions. Although the Republican People's Party of the poor, the workers was based on the social-democratic party, was how much the state party, a subject of controversy.
Yes, it was a change in Kılıçdaroğlu. Also, for many years to express themselves, many unable to find a parliamentary working people, enthusiastically welcomed, but actually I'm not sure that I'm still at it this way the CHP.
Here you have a big problem once. Kılıçdaroğlu'nun own program, their approach, put forward by various speeches and statements of political style, Kılıçdaroğlu'nun mainly based on the market, through the progress of market reforms anticipate this anticipation contradictory. Can be controlled in a quest for capitalism as usual, generally accepted "developmentalist" within the framework of methods, "the cake's grow, shrink the population, more than all the low cake" idea, see you did not say anything beyond economic policy.
Social crisis faced by Turkey as a medicine today, put forward by BD "Well, let's look at what you can" give an answer to the question so far is no acquis. Kılıçdaroğlu'nun mouth 'F' letter can not hear. The first thing he wants to do when you go to the top of the party passed "stand upright in a trench" was: "Harpçiyim tight, I would war." What would happen? Osman Pamukoğlu is better than war, then let's look at her party. Equation established by discourse of peace, not war, in fact, freedom is not security, not the capital of the oppressed, the people here but it still is not doing too much, Alevis are many people, poor people, trade unionists have reason to think so. Why? Heyecanlanıyorlar because, like them, they talked like a man who will take it out of the fact pattern here is that everyone is not a thief Gargantualar'ı shakes, Onder Sav breaking his leg, pushing beyond Deniz Baykal, the people and "this really will do anything," he says.
But I think that is standing in a place Kılıçdaroğlu inadequate. You have a program could be a bold economic program called the masses, but he does it more to the left itebilirlerdi. So I hope that people who want to light a little bit after all these years gericilikten. I'm looking at yaşıtlarıma, "was not a revolution, it was not, this was not least, the time before death left the government stand at my funeral," he may want to hope. But all these people's lives is not limited to your own life.
There is a huge problem in terms of the BDP. They are their own "alliance" did not lafını, yakıştırıldı. However, they are nevertheless significant behaviors twin. Browsing the Diyarbakir Bar Association Chairman Sezgin Tanrikulu, beklemişken until that day, the wind blew from where he jumped into such a CHP. Was a pity, how there will not be any service that did not work a lot ... no left-wing
Things went well in terms of the BDP. They would also not an option düşündürttüler public. But to my knowledge, this alliance will not, no. BDP socialists need to establish an alliance.
I have in my mind more of a social alliance. Could be, oppressed Alevis, Kurds, women, workers of these social groups were self-transactions have been translated into policy is already a huge coalition can occur. Unfortunately do not have such a social activity, except for the Kurds.
I think the coalition you mention is a mature ... Among them, there is the effort who has it?
Living in the most mature period of the history of the labor movement. Women are struggling too. I think it is really the future of the women's movement in Turkey. But this is still a struggle carried out by each woman's own self. Much more developed in the women's movement in the Southeast, we see that a lot more political. Here, too, I feel electricity in the air. An insane desire to get rid of male domination and women are in the so gırtlaklanıyorlar, boğazlanıyorlar or something, but this makes you think that male dominance has alliance against the woman. These are not yet up to the next election results are most raw. But history is flowing in that direction. So what happens when the election would not be, not such a social investment for the future, the policy until the job is obviously very important to me to work to see the field of social struggle.
Well, this is a parting of the ways how to create choices in terms of the BDP?
In the 2011 elections, of course, important. If the BDP of a wider group of previous parliament sokabilirse this will necessarily correspond to a decrease in the MHP and the AKP chairs. CHP'ninki amount will increase, will increase an amount that is to say BDP'ninki MHP'ninki will decline. Intuition for this is that a significant result yaratabilmesi that attitude did not explain the BDP-yet-but that it implies a broader alliance of Socialists, the BDP-popular alliance would have liked, but that it makes no conditions, unfortunately.
Is Kurdish base on it so I do not think. But 'KCK'nin an area covered by the claim of legitimacy and have a. CHP does not claim to be in the region. So I think their reaction shows that the claim is not true for a project KCK'nin spokesmen weaken. Just because I'm not saying the BDP a much broader coalition, they do what it wants to do Tanrıkulu hoşlanmaması normal, but his right to a Message, I think it is not permissible to be faced. But the Kurdish region is heterogeneous and pluralistic society, we see an increasing manner. The right-left, the capital-labor, the rich-poor, middle class and lower classes, we see every day separation. So I'm going to see a left-socialist alliance that has become more possible, because the Kurdish party, the BDP becomes increasingly poor, not the Kurds.
This is a good thing a bad thing?
This is a good thing, on the one hand, while a problematic thing. Becerebildiğiniz to be such an amount of time you will lose population. Sermayedarlarla can not talk so much comfortable. Osman Baydemir all trying to protect the Kurds, this time at "stop a minute, you look at the poor Kurds, others Baksi someone else is called. We understand that these tensions. This stresses the fact that Turkey continued to show signs of life. Yekparelik, maturity, not solitude, have struggled.
Of course, looking at the outside possibility that the alliance has faced harsh criticism. Although this possibility may have been a drawback? Öngöremediler this side do you think?
I see them as natural in politics. I see that as a reconnaissance operation. "Let me see what's here," as he says. Something that looked and arose. That the BDP did not lose a thing. After all 'F' letter does not an alliance with someone who will not be able BDP. This should be the meaning of the alliance. Then you could make more sense to establish an alliance AKP'yle. If the AKP's no "expansion" project there. In fact, such is the order of Allah, not the CHP, the CHP will goes to a place of freedom. He is like the opposition parties, anywhere "solution to the parties", in Spain, Portugal, Greece ...
The CHP is stuck in this respect too elitist and white world of the Turks. Deniz Baykal, the votes of whites Remember the 2007 elections gave the whole fascist. I have an alliance with the BDP socialists in Turkey today is a significant political choice but to think that such thinking at all socialists. I would like to ODP, EMEP, it enters the line, so you get a pluralistic socialist alliance because the BDP, I see it has become very clear that the left's criticism and suggestions. Çoğalalım around here. I'm looking at it.
The CHP and the left
The CHP began to change after a period of no longer seems to Kılıçdaroğlu. At least what we call white collar areas such as breaking up the air, too. At least Kılıçdaroğlu'nu began to see the street. In Turkey the status of the left if off the street to get over here as there are those who think, what do you think?
They all know that is not true. I think the "left lane was taken," the story is not true. How much is possible, there is only left on the street. Because the AKP does not need to be on the street already, that everyone on the street is trying to move home. House with "tranquility", "peace", "public order" is provided. Fascists to the street when we see what they have done. They would be better otursunlar homes. Wage supplement, poverty, pahalılığa, against the left.
CHP, which was built on capitalism, you set up an artificial balance sharply criticized the social-market rhetoric and "Revolution, CHP and beyond," you said. Well before the elections in Turkey at one time in a concrete way how socialists do you suggest? What is the alternative to put in a realistic way from the left in front of the people?
My concrete suggestion is this: First, I think I mentioned just now, such as the socialist movement in Turkey, a coalition of social classes, and it seslenmeli kılabilmeliydi main base, it does not. But this is to live as a basic idea. Left selection demands, the way to election platform, 2011 elections, women, Kurds, Alevis and the demands of working people, but they are installed on the economic reductionism of identity indirgemeciliğinden or more, the container may be an expression of longing for the future society kavuşturulmalı a call. Think about things such as how much of his electoral program, the AKP has offered today, in fact, the AKP will live a more free world is offered to people in general. To do this, said workers' salaries will be as follows. In fact, they are compressed, the conservative Islamic masses who feel suppressed, both in their own power itikatlarını sürdürüp, as well as zenginleşebilecekleri Imply found. Now we can not compete with it, what our people have the license to connect to the other world, nor we have a wealth of this world in our hands dağıtacağımız. But the biggest dilemmas faced by the people and they want to see a revenue loss of freedom and prosperity, we can translate.
How can this be?
First of all, the ring instead of a detailed program to offer the public mind become relatively blurred aranışa interpreter, it is a language that calls beyond the current order-to establish a methodology that I think. How do we do this, but I think there is also talk of "peace" will be an important axis, the "freedom" will be another axis, "an honorable life" axis will be very substantial, but they can be translated into the language of everyday life for the head and the information I need to run. Second, I think practically everyone can win in pursuit of a coalition should koşmamız. This coalition should be formed today. I am in Turkey, the owners of capital, the rich, right-wing coalition kıvırmalarına well, the coalition of leftists can not make any sense beceremeyişlerine. Or so it would make sense when you look at everyone already sees. There in the middle of this coalition, this coalition we can. You need to do. I think you need an innovative manner as possible. Women's far more avant-garde, pioneering attitude that they are in a state, men are very peasant, both side by side, I am very surprised to see walked hand in hand. I think the people ahead of women. Now, this woman got on the mood, emotion, politics must be the way to translate. I need to see it.
Now, with the pouring of the Wikileaks documents, this capitalism, neither the economy nor the ecology, nor politics, diplomacy, none of what you missed humanity overlap with nothing and vice versa, represents humanity's decay as it appeared to open up, I gladly embrace an anticapitalist project that everyone I think the project would be a more and more. This is how a sosyalistliğe antikapitalizm translatable, you know that we can not yet formulated, but the people that capitalism is a bad thing, not only because they were working, for they live in this world capitalism yaşayamayacaklarına together, I see that an increasing convictions. Everyone is more or less read them and have no objections to this table. Or a bicycle to everyone, will give a rubber shoes will be filled bellies, but live free palavrasını yemeyeceğini I think nobody.
In addition, people who see these problems be solved only locally. And we are appealing, it başkaldırıyorlar, Ankara, the door of their own villages when something is based on a per stream. This self-conscious walking around in the middle, will add meaning to all of these, the majority of this wealth will mean a need for a political fiction. I ecologists, socialists, Kurds, Alevis, a coalition of feminists to come together and kurabileceklerini think it is actually very meaningful. But "Come in," If you say it takes time and the elections are finished.
The Alliance shows us that debate whether or not this type of a recovery in the left movement and have a desire to come together, you mentioned that you like. But such a venture was, in fact, long been pronounced, for example ... the Roof Party
Roof party initially was a project too liberal. Generating mentality Party newspaper today, the Kurds, leftists, etc. A meaningful job can come in here buluşturabileceğini thought. But was that this project is that the AKP as it "Kurdish Expansion" project imiş projection. Ultimately it did not last the truth began to step out. Now it airs cilalamasıyla were about to win the powerful. Or on the roof began to question the basics of the program örtebilecek "polite" people fled, the project that collapsed state.
Did not you hope that the rest of you think?
From there back, "Union for Democracy Movement," he boycotted the last referendum in front of workers and the oppressed community, he was covering a large part of those entering. I am going to the Kurdish movement for the Kurds in the west slope of an anticapitalist direction they want their partner to say, though small-scale effort to do the job, show I see this movement. I think that in this election, rather than a roof "binumut" will be a fiction-like. Spoken remarks to arrive here around the middle turn.
This fact will determine the course of the BDP.
BDP will determine the right. But to say that socialists have in western Turkey. Possible to say with him. Because the Kurds in Turkey's western region are demanding more of the liberation project. Cause I do not live in the region, no longer live here. The bodies of the Working People in their hearts, but here there seems to stand. Children born here, grew up here.
So, in the region demands an asymmetry between Ankara Do you see the possibility of politics?
I think he sees his own business fiien region. Ankara expects the status quo they acquire a new legal form. Or do they see their work. Per the Court came to a foolish man who is trying to prevent them, but they speak Kurdish, Kurdish everywhere are talking already ... Kurdish doing shopping, put signs in Kurdish ... I see everybody talking is much more common than before in Diyarbakir Kurdish.
Wikileaks and "nationalists"
We had a short but I promise, even if Wikileaks is on the earthquake in the last days are passing through. Scattered in numerous documents, mixed politics. The claim or claims in them that you care about what happened?
This is the hit documents, embassies things their own observations quoted centers. We do not know what the Centre. These documents do not have Washington's promise. Washing-ton to have the lyrics of all locations, U.S. embassies have words. They reflect the changing attitudes of governments depends. Is not a monolithic thing we see all of us. For example, struggling to overthrow the AKP Eric Edelman, obviously cuntacılarla cooperate. There is no doubt that the First Army Commander Cetin Dogan's daughter go to the witness-he obviously was not a coincidence to find Edelman. James Jeffrey see that any other approach. These are correspondence with the embassy of Turkey, but to my knowledge, as the most important of all, Turkey's current line of Washington's endless effort to keep his side spent anyway. On the other hand, look at the world scale, it carved into the bottom of the U.S. allies everywhere, behind the steering wheel turned into the trap we see kazdığını. I think the most important aspect of the American empire was established around the world, the world order that there is a great enlightenment to the whole world or older to be a hoax ...
I guess I have not, I do not see the front of something I read very little about Turkey. When I look back on the right turn and actually was not bad at all, meaning that they can see what muşuz, so I think theres something hidden.
But Turkey is one of the most amazing things that the "anti-imperialist" and many people living on less the same arguments Edelman'la AKP'yle dealing, "the AKP co-operative" or something saying the line was dropped by the fact that they see Edelman. Very fun course. This is how much blindness can actually think, or whether this is a blindness?
All the big words throughout the period were always great, but that "nationalism" of NATO has very few words con-is-now anlamlandırıyorum him thinking of her, why she never işitmiyoruz of NATO against the word ... With this system, we have seen that the relevant issues. Of course there are many documents, when they are announced, he can say what will happen, but I do not know any of them, for the first time publish these documents to the Wikileaks, the American operation in Iraq, the American operation in Afghanistan has released documents. Nobody at that time so did not bother to go, now become a popular topic when it comes around it fell to everyone. See I just can say, as a result we will address the American state seized all the documents, then we see the things that we want to know. But I do not think the embassy will come from knowledge of a lot of potential information.
You exaggerated the power of the discourse of imperialism, in fact if off from here ... This discourse is not a little early for?
Protracted process, U.S. officials before their eyes how ignorant, how stupid, sloppy see that ideas can move. Indeed, looking from the outside of the system at all, until the monolithic self-feared that, if homogeneous, is not immune to kırılganlıklardan have seen, not badly yüklensek. Had been destroyed and eaten in a period. Came back, but I will go again.
Documents Wikileaks'e gave ordinary U.S. soldiers
However, this is a very environment itself an imperialist game pointed out that the leakage incident. You do not stop on the possibility that it may be a controlled leak?
Finally, after this leak, we all know that dealing in the middle of America to control the leak. But that's controlled leak claim something very childish. ABD'nln all know that every place was riddled with privacy once. American foreign affairs that I no longer çalışamayacağını staff would take tens of thousands of new staff-to-think it'll be forced to.
United States of America a little taste beğenmeyelim democracy. I went and knocked on the door Give me my documents did not say nobody. Also made in Turkey this. Very isterlerdi Party to hold the door and take elindekileri. I come back to Turkey I do not doubt that this much time sahiciliğinden documents. They may lie, but it is a lot of documents contained in the documents was true. Party in the hands of the soldiers did not receive them. According to Madara left eye. This is what's already there. As a result most people in the United States may have this much going on in Turkey. So the only thing that will make the United States at the mercy of Wikileaks'in consisted of refuge, they acımadılar. If you say you ask me how to Wikileaks, a revolutionary organization can not accept the mass media to disseminate them to all have to move the border. Also, of course, because it is such a part görünemiyor documents.
As a result we have more information than ever before. U.S. intentions, the organization works, where his belly is weak. And most importantly to us, I also say this: that these documents after September 11 the U.S. intelligence network, all the elements of something Generating kılabilmnek interactive communication network for nearly a million people have signed. Yapaması this one in a million, the documents have been forced to take goe sizıdrımaı risk. Çüünkü dilemma of this system. Is always possible. You can not make capitalism run to collect hundreds of thousands of workers. So he gathered together the people also want to make a revolution. You are a million people without a joint intelligence network, can not cope think al-Qaida attacks, but there it is entering and receiving information, enlightened people, ultimately, "Wait a minute, exactly what we are doing, we're starting to work against you," he may think. These are the inevitable dilemmas, contradictions in the system ... See why I need make no never mind that, forming a mass, people may be aware of their own interests when they are entrusted to the state secrets leaks. The real dilemma here, but it also can not do anything without trust.
600 thousand people in Turkey is going to enlist. So many things that you see when you go to the army, all of which is a scheme in mind, the state creates a diagram of how it works. Government troops when you forget them or believe in your comment that waits for lewdness, but morally it tries to control his own dozens of people on the basis of this information, follow a line of opposition. In fact, its own internal contradictions of this system is not indestructible. Some of them says, "but the public ..." People here say there are people engaged in military service man. "The people" have gone Wikileaks'e given document. Happened Here, "the people" has brought the document. Therefore, without depending on the ring when the system is based on the public wants the war but the war can not. This does not, our revolution is already possible to view a single reason.
Have an interest in each other, falling down, it will be the countries of the people? Have a good fortune out of this tepişmeden for the peoples of the world?
Directly to a dead end, but I think something as easy as it used to be no cooperation with the United States government, the people can not settle. Nowhere, state officials can not be intimate with American diplomatlarıyla until now it used to be. America is an extremely powerful state, but less powerful than before the last 10 years, both in absolute terms and relative to such like that. Production capacity is shrinking in absolute terms, etc ... Yes, China's military power remains, but the relatively greater power than him. Looked like this are bad for the U.S., saying the issue is good for the people we can look backwards....
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